This discussion is very interesting.
When I discovered KaOS four months ago, (I'm a new user) and gave a look at the packages on the website, I myself was surprised by the fact that dolphin-emu
was in the repositories. The explanation I gave myself was that "It might need to be often recompiled against updates", and this might still be a point. So, I wonder: why was the package originally included? I'm curious about that.
Please remove the dolphin-emu package
dolphin-emu es software libre , bajo licencia GNU-GPL v.2 , no hay nada malo en tenerlo en los repositorios, ni viene instalado por defecto en la distribución, se instala si el usuario desea agregar la aplicación.
Dolphin-emu, esta disponible también en GOOGLE PLAY, si fuera tan "ilegal su uso" del primer lugar que lo eliminarían seria de del repositorio de google. El uso que cada usuario le de al software es responsabilidad del usuario, o porque alguien utilice a libre office writer para falsificar documentos entonces nos cuestionaríamos ¿si debería ser parte del repositorio de las distros?
KAOS no es la mejor distribución para jugar videojuegos, si bien algunos corren, no es el objetivo de la distribución, los usuarios que busquen jugar video juegos usaran otras distribuciones.
Y como bien se menciona, habiendo distribuciones que NO incluyen Dolphin-emu, si ese es su objetivo a la hora de elegir una distribución, debería fijarse en esas distribuciones.
Yo apoyo que dolphin-emu sea y siga siendo parte del repositorio de kaos.
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tatizaffaroni Dolphin-emu, esta disponible también en GOOGLE PLAY, si fuera tan "ilegal su uso" del primer lugar que lo eliminarían seria de del repositorio de google.
(I don't know Spanish, so I'm going off Google Translate here)
Google happily lets links to pirated GameCube and Wii games for use in Dolphin stay in their search results (because the movie industry has a strong anti-piracy lobby while the videogame industry does not), so Google Play is not a great comparison point. The iOS App Store does not accept unofficial emulators.
And I never said the software itself is illegal, I said "These are legal, but have basically no utility other than running pirated games."
El uso que cada usuario le de al software es responsabilidad del usuario, o porque alguien utilice a libre office writer para falsificar documentos entonces nos cuestionaríamos ¿si debería ser parte del repositorio de las distros?
I'm pretty sure LibreOffice Writer has even more legitimate uses than any of the software that has already been mentioned.
Y como bien se menciona, habiendo distribuciones que NO incluyen Dolphin-emu, si ese es su objetivo a la hora de elegir una distribución, debería fijarse en esas distribuciones.
Slackware and Red Hat Enterprise Linux are not suitable for most users. KaOS comes the closest to being this choice.
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panbroggi I see. As far as you know, would a Kcp counterpart be usable? I mean considering the compilation time and the frequency of updates.
KCP surely is possible, but as said, there were good and legit reasons why it was added, so I encouraged @jobukkit to start this discussion and see what the pros and cons are and let as many as possible voice there opinion so there can be a good consensus as to why it should stay or go.
Valve has taken the Steam page for Dolphin down after a DMCA request.
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More on this:
https://www.pcgamer.com/nintendo-sends-valve-dmca-notice-to-block-steam-release-of-wii-emulator-dolphin/
https://nintendoeverything.com/dolphin-emulator-steam-release-delayed-indefinitely-following-nintendo-dmca/
https://dolphin-emu.org/blog/2023/05/27/dolphin-steam-indefinitely-postponed/
https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-coming-soon-dolphin-on-steam?page=2
So it seems until this is better sorted, it will be best to remove dolphin-emu. IF dolphin-emu can work things out and prove legit usage to Steam & Nintendo, it can come back in.
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The pinned post on Dolphin’s Steam Community Hub had a generic “we do not condone piracy” legal disclaimer… immediately followed by a rule that if you voice opposition to piracy, you would be banned.
Expecting projects like this to become “better sorted” amounts to waiting for the next batch of obviously insincere legal disclaimers. What is the point of that?
Anyway, good that you’re finally addressing this now.
This is ridiculous. Emulators have already proven in court, that they have legitimate use. This is not for discussion, and all the other distros also have various emus available. You have the chance to rip your games from the original disc you got it from, and play it on the PC. Original hardware is often hard to find, expensive and will not be produced anymore.
Nintendo is notoriously known to be very aggressive and pre-emptive with their strikes, and there is no reason, not legally and not ethically, to support that.
Just pure fanboyism of people who defend a company, that is only interested in financial gain, at the cost of everyone else:
All the hard working devs do get not more or less money, if Nintendo makes 2 billion more, 4 million less or whatever else.
The company is too big to fail, and software preservation imho a human right.
I payed for that software, so dont tell me how to use it.
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shalokshalom This is ridiculous. Emulators have already proven in court, that they have legitimate use. This is not for discussion, and all the other distros also have various emus available. You have the chance to rip your games from the original disc you got it from, and play it on the PC. Original hardware is often hard to find, expensive and will not be produced anymore.
Nintendo is notoriously known to be very aggressive and pre-emptive with their strikes, and there is no reason, not legally and not ethically, to support that.
Are you referring to the Sony vs. Bleem and Connectix lawsuits? Bleem and Connectix were designed to play legitimate discs straight from your PC/Mac/Dreamcast's disc drive. Dolphin is not. Just because almost every GNU/Linux distro except KaOS and RHEL does it, doesn't make it ethical or legal.
I don't understand what you are mean by "pre-emptive".
shalokshalom Just pure fanboyism of people who defend a company, that is only interested in financial gain, at the cost of everyone else:
All the hard working devs do get not more or less money, if Nintendo makes 2 billion more, 4 million less or whatever else.
The company is too big to fail
You can justify stealing physical objects in the exact same way. The nice thing about human rights, like copyright, is that they apply to everyone, even people you think are too rich to need them.
shalokshalom and software preservation imho a human right.
I payed for that software, so dont tell me how to use it.
You have the discs. You have the original hardware to play them on. This subject has little, if anything, to do with preservation.
Unless by preservation you mean continued availability, which piracy can actually get in the way of, as it makes proper re-releases (Virtual Console etc.) less viable.
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I see, that you have a particular interest, to invade into others people freedom.
It is my game. I can do with it whatever I want. People can write software, that runs this, my copy of a game, for which I paid money for. I want to play it in high resolution, I want to play it on the computer, I like to record screen sessions of it, heck I want to play it in multiplayer, which was never possible, or is at least not possible anymore since a long time.
I have the right, to fix what the developer has missed, same with ROM hacking.
Thats just perfectly legal and if you think thats unethical, that is fine and you can keep this opinion to yourself.
Oracle tried to sue Google, because they implemented their own cleanroom version of Java SE. And they lost.
APIs are not copyrightable. Cleanroom developments are perfectly legal, and proven in court at length.
This issue is not new. Emulators a viable option to play games. And there is no court decision, that says otherwise;
Proven by decades of practiced law.
Steam did avoid a public fight with Nintendo, for which they dont have much too loose. Its not like Nintendo won any legal battle. They just got a few people to shy away with their scare tactics.
I am using KaOS not anymore since a long time, but coming back and seeing this, just makes me sad.
A distribution shouldnt be lead by blind and premature obedience. But it is, what it is.
Survey of the Video Game Reissue Market in the United States
Statement of the Dolphin developers.
https://dolphin-emu.org/blog/2023/07/20/what-happened-to-dolphin-on-steam/